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china is overwhelmingly coal fired. they get another $5 million a year or so from trading in the space. what i would expect to see is some increasing of their mining revenues. >> two parts. the actual stock and the trade. >> i have no view on the stock. the fundamental picture that's set up in the relativeness to the shanghai i think is very interesting. i like the trade structure. if you're prepared to get along at 24, going to take some margin. >> it is. this is a trade that really gets the math working for you because you're short that put. if you're willing to buy the stock down there, it's a great way, no cost. nothing out-of-pocket to do that. >> one more time on the stocks verses options button. want to buy peabody, convinced it's a good china play? $28 a share. in mike's option, mike could be forced to buy it at $24 or about a 14% discount. we'll see carter later on in the show. got a question out there, send us a tweet at cnbc options. we'll answer it right after the show on our new website. yes, options action
china is overwhelmingly coal fired. they get another $5 million a year or so from trading in the space. what i would expect to see is some increasing of their mining revenues. >> two parts. the actual stock and the trade. >> i have no view on the stock. the fundamental picture that's set up in the relativeness to the shanghai i think is very interesting. i like the trade structure. if you're prepared to get along at 24, going to take some margin. >> it is. this is a trade that...
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. >> and will it be in china? will the iphone make it in china? >> i got up this morning and turned on cnbc. >> of course you did. >> one dude was at the shanghai store in line waiting for the iphone 5. >> there are a lot of pre-orders. but the question is, will they get china mobile? that's 80% of the smart phone users in china. that's a big question. >> how long have we been waiting for apple tv? >> we could be waiting for months more. >> john has the latest on a developing story between apple and walmart. john? >> yeah, melissa. big news today that kind of slipped under the radar. that's that walmart is discounting apple products way more than we could have expected. the iphone 5 starting today, the entry level iphone 5 down to $127. normally, at most outlets, $199. the new ipad, the fourth generation ipad, starting monday is going to be at $399, plus they'll throw in a $30 itunes gift card. i've been trying to make calls to figure out what the nature is of this promotion. what i gathered is this isn't something apple is pushing at all which pr
. >> and will it be in china? will the iphone make it in china? >> i got up this morning and turned on cnbc. >> of course you did. >> one dude was at the shanghai store in line waiting for the iphone 5. >> there are a lot of pre-orders. but the question is, will they get china mobile? that's 80% of the smart phone users in china. that's a big question. >> how long have we been waiting for apple tv? >> we could be waiting for months more. >> john...
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is china your best bet in 2013? joining us is chief china equity strategist at goldman sachs. always great to speak with you. >> those pmi numbers seven-month high. fourth month gain. it is the longest streak in more than a year for the chinese currency and the stock market lowest level since 2009. what is telling the true story? >> well, i think obviously we are seeing pretty reasewassurin cyclical signs and the market is reacting more. there has been a big divergence in terms of performance. the reason the asian market is not turning so much is because it is less correlated to the global market. and secondly i think it is just not only focusing on structural reform issues more but more bearish on the cyclical outlook. those are probably some of the key differences. we think that tha asia market guys are a little too bearish on the cyclical and reform side. we think that 2013 returns will be a little higher for a versus for h. >> you have introduced with your most recent note at the end of november a reform basket of stocks. can you walk us through what that means? >> over th
is china your best bet in 2013? joining us is chief china equity strategist at goldman sachs. always great to speak with you. >> those pmi numbers seven-month high. fourth month gain. it is the longest streak in more than a year for the chinese currency and the stock market lowest level since 2009. what is telling the true story? >> well, i think obviously we are seeing pretty reasewassurin cyclical signs and the market is reacting more. there has been a big divergence in terms of...
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but how do you see the big picture in china? there's definitely a narrative that says high levels of capital spending lead to poor profitability and maybe that's what the stock markets had a sniff on over the last 18 months. where do you think we are in that story? >> well, no doubt it's driven by capital like all capital investments. and where are the investments going? they're going to china's massive infrastructure. don't forget china is still in the middle of a largest organization exercise in human history, building something like 221 new cities. so there's no did you tell that some of the buildings and roads or even shopping malls may in the short term appear empty. and then that fits into the kind of speculation there will be a huge asset or property bubble that's bound it on burst. but don't forgetbeginning, a lo buildings. and don't forget the speed of the urbanization process is going on in china. but as a national strategy also to balance the economy away from the capital kind of investment towards domestic consumptio
but how do you see the big picture in china? there's definitely a narrative that says high levels of capital spending lead to poor profitability and maybe that's what the stock markets had a sniff on over the last 18 months. where do you think we are in that story? >> well, no doubt it's driven by capital like all capital investments. and where are the investments going? they're going to china's massive infrastructure. don't forget china is still in the middle of a largest organization...
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i think china will continue to play it. i think that would be better, more obvious great stories in the like in the next ten years in china. >> such at? >> the obvious concern, i'm not concerned about the residential property side, but international property, larger entities, that would be a concern that would continue to rear its head, i think. and i look at the stock pickses of chinese industries. just determined the bank roll losses for that industry and that's slightly concerning, as well. i see china more as a trade market rather than a strategic bet. within that, we are keen to extend ourselves to only the mining sector. >> there's plenty of pessimism for people to come in. in other central bank news, sweden has lowered its key interest rate by 25 basis points to 1%. in a widely expected move. the central bank says it sees the repo rate remaining for the coming year. riksbank deputy swensen says he is pushing for heavier cuts. >>> in australia, the decision to lower rates at its december policy meeting appears to be a
i think china will continue to play it. i think that would be better, more obvious great stories in the like in the next ten years in china. >> such at? >> the obvious concern, i'm not concerned about the residential property side, but international property, larger entities, that would be a concern that would continue to rear its head, i think. and i look at the stock pickses of chinese industries. just determined the bank roll losses for that industry and that's slightly...
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so any demand elsewhere could have an impact on china. >> have we had the china slowdown? >> we've had mosts of it i think. but again, china is very much in recent line with the cycle of the global economy and we'll be looking for some of the big growth engines to help them, as well. >> what's the chinese swing factor for investors? >> sitting in europe clearly it's something we focus upon. is it a driving force, absolutely not. the tail risk i think is what scares us. so do i feel heartened by the numbers in china, yes, it's kind of a positive. but there's more important things. >> if you're worried about synchronized global slowdown, you need one begin sort of spluttering on a little bit better. >> the difficulty is that it's a very large consensus among the investors in europe that come what may, they're not going to feel terribly positive about the outlook for the eurozone. the best case scenario is people who have maybe 1%, 1.5%, 2% growth and search weaker in the periphery. as a result, you need something quite astounding out of china to make you feel better. >> you
so any demand elsewhere could have an impact on china. >> have we had the china slowdown? >> we've had mosts of it i think. but again, china is very much in recent line with the cycle of the global economy and we'll be looking for some of the big growth engines to help them, as well. >> what's the chinese swing factor for investors? >> sitting in europe clearly it's something we focus upon. is it a driving force, absolutely not. the tail risk i think is what scares us....
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china telecom is carrying the phone. it's available in china's apple stores and online. china mobile is expected to strike a deal to carry the phone by late 2013. eunice, they need this to sell, because according to idc, in the third quarter, their share of smartphone market in china slipped to sixth place, which is a massive decline in market shares terms. how much is this one going to take them back a little bit? >> well, apple faces a lot of challenges in the china market. like you said, they're slipping in their ranking. and that's because there is a lot of competition, especially from -- well, from samsung and lenovo, names that you know, and also from -- players that are coming up with these low, cheaper wsh i should say, smartphones and that is one big challenge for the company here. another big challenge, as you had said, china mobile, it needs to come up with some deal with china mobile over the next year or so in order to try to get access to that company's 700 million viewers. >> eunice, thanks for that and our apologies for that slight technical freeze there.
china telecom is carrying the phone. it's available in china's apple stores and online. china mobile is expected to strike a deal to carry the phone by late 2013. eunice, they need this to sell, because according to idc, in the third quarter, their share of smartphone market in china slipped to sixth place, which is a massive decline in market shares terms. how much is this one going to take them back a little bit? >> well, apple faces a lot of challenges in the china market. like you...
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still sold iphones in china eye poen is 51% of apple's total revenue. you cannot understate or overstate the importance of that. >> the best first week of sales ever. >> if you weren't seeing the hobbit, you were buying an iphone. or beth. a both /* both. you were tweeting about the hobbit on your new iphone. >> john the day john forte has been salivating about for hours. the end of january, here in new york city. stock, look at the recent run, by the way. up more than 50% in about 30 trading days. led us to ask the question, is everything fine? >> that's a u shaped recovery. look that. a perfect u. >> it spp what do you say, john? is research in motion back, baby? >> no, not yet. >> i tried. >> i know. it doesn't take much to make me salivate today because all i've had to eat is a protein bar. blackberry 10 is exciting. but we still don't know exactly what is coming there yet. couple things. for the quarter report willing tomorrow, revenues are about half. if they meet expectations, or if they meet a little, they are expecting an eps loss of 35%. secon
still sold iphones in china eye poen is 51% of apple's total revenue. you cannot understate or overstate the importance of that. >> the best first week of sales ever. >> if you weren't seeing the hobbit, you were buying an iphone. or beth. a both /* both. you were tweeting about the hobbit on your new iphone. >> john the day john forte has been salivating about for hours. the end of january, here in new york city. stock, look at the recent run, by the way. up more than 50% in...
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/china relationship? >> well, i think that it's a little too early to tell that this is symptomatic of the new administration. but i do expect that there will be progress in certain areas. china has been asking the u.s. to lift restrictions on high-tech exports. and i gather that the obama administration is consider something kind of overhaul of the current restrictions. so there might be some change there was benefit to china. and on the u.s. side, the u.s. would like china to lift restrictions on imports of livestock. and it looks like china is willing to do that on a gradual basis. so i think that there would be some positives coming out of these meetings today and tomorrow. >> and lastly, frank, what would be the most significant policy move period to come from this. again, aside from the news we've already heard about the import duties, are you looking for any big-name tie-ups, or is this about meeting and shaking hands, especially because the u.s. leadership still isn't settled, erkts speci especial
/china relationship? >> well, i think that it's a little too early to tell that this is symptomatic of the new administration. but i do expect that there will be progress in certain areas. china has been asking the u.s. to lift restrictions on high-tech exports. and i gather that the obama administration is consider something kind of overhaul of the current restrictions. so there might be some change there was benefit to china. and on the u.s. side, the u.s. would like china to lift...
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china is still positive in the fourth quarter. china is going to show a slow and steady improvement. so we need those. >> higher expectations stronger in the likes of taiwan, india and brazil. let's go back to where you say they're weakest. greece, italy, spain, the netherlands. this is a very weak feature, indeed. how bad in it? >> it's bad. the eurozone is the global economic problem now. if you look at asia where i just returned from, both countries are feeling optimistic. but they seem to be inwardly focused now by being a triangle of china, india, indonesia. we're not seeing a great benefit into europe as we did before. for instance, germany is looking pretty pessimistic. based on its lack of export performance to places like china. >> yeah. when the bundes bank came out and shortly downgraded forecasts, how is the employment picture? if you've got a relatively healthy china and the u.s. consumer bounce back, wouldn't that help germany? >> it certainly would. germany is relatively flat in terms of the employment outlook. so i
china is still positive in the fourth quarter. china is going to show a slow and steady improvement. so we need those. >> higher expectations stronger in the likes of taiwan, india and brazil. let's go back to where you say they're weakest. greece, italy, spain, the netherlands. this is a very weak feature, indeed. how bad in it? >> it's bad. the eurozone is the global economic problem now. if you look at asia where i just returned from, both countries are feeling optimistic. but...
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that get into china. so it's not all roses, but we need new marketplaces and china is certainly growing as an extraordinary pace. >> yeah, and what's it like trying to finance productions at the moment? >> just globally -- i mean, the marketplace is pretty strong. after 2008, there was -- we kind of hit a roadblock with banks and with wall street and all of that kind of stuff. but i think the marketplace and the financial marketplace has come back pretty strong. though there are problems in some territories in europe like italy and spain, greece, of course. there are other strong markets. again, this is a reason why china and russia and brazil and india have become so important at the global scenario. >> okay, we wish you all the best. have a great few days there in singapore. >>> the british chancellor executive george osborne is giving his autumn statement today. the chancellor has already dropped big hints about what we can expect. katie barnfield has gone up to man chester to see how the government's
that get into china. so it's not all roses, but we need new marketplaces and china is certainly growing as an extraordinary pace. >> yeah, and what's it like trying to finance productions at the moment? >> just globally -- i mean, the marketplace is pretty strong. after 2008, there was -- we kind of hit a roadblock with banks and with wall street and all of that kind of stuff. but i think the marketplace and the financial marketplace has come back pretty strong. though there are...
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especially markets like china. and the ideal way to ride out these difficult times and to reduce costs would be to acquire properties that mine steel making raw materials. and that's exactly what posco is doing according to these reports that say a consortium that it leads has been named preferred bid forea stake in a canadian mine. some reports say it's seeking to acquire around a 10% to 15% stake and is scheduled to sign a sales and purchase agreement early next year. and how will posco finance this acquisition? observers say it's been selling many noncore assets like its holdings in sk telecom to cushion these investment plans like the purchase of the australian steel and iron ore producer aryan which by the way collapsed late october. back to you. >> all right, chery, thanks for that. still to come, we'll speak as to a guest who believes volatility in the oil market will continue well into 2013. we'll find where his predictions are for crude next year. i always wait until the last minute. can i still ship a gif
especially markets like china. and the ideal way to ride out these difficult times and to reduce costs would be to acquire properties that mine steel making raw materials. and that's exactly what posco is doing according to these reports that say a consortium that it leads has been named preferred bid forea stake in a canadian mine. some reports say it's seeking to acquire around a 10% to 15% stake and is scheduled to sign a sales and purchase agreement early next year. and how will posco...
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. >> i've been reading kissinger's book on china, but he raises's broader question which is important. unfathomable as it is to americans there are parts of the world where they do not believe in alienable rights, right? they don't believe in human rights in the way that we do. >> exactly. and when we try to impose it on them they consider it a violation of their sovereignty. >> exactly. >> china feels that way often. russia, same thing. how far do we go in promoting human rights? the trade off that we'll get here. the law gets passed and human rights violators in russia can't come year and now 1,000 children don't come to the united states and people who want them don't get them. >> my personal view, no. they're glad to take our money and they've long had to put their money overseas, but they do not want human rights promotion and we've seen that inside russia and we've seen that against the crockdown on the internet and this is just the latest interaction of the series of things going back for more than a year against the political opposition and what they see is the u.s.-sponsored
. >> i've been reading kissinger's book on china, but he raises's broader question which is important. unfathomable as it is to americans there are parts of the world where they do not believe in alienable rights, right? they don't believe in human rights in the way that we do. >> exactly. and when we try to impose it on them they consider it a violation of their sovereignty. >> exactly. >> china feels that way often. russia, same thing. how far do we go in promoting...
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and china, they played hard ball in china. anybody who has played hardball in china has not succeeded. like google. first amendment, you know, tiananmen square. what's the first amendment in china, i don't think it's free speech. >> i don't think so. >> interstate commerce is as powerful as anything. >> tear down a neighborhood at any moment. >> another $156 million shares eligible for social, the social network rallied after last month's expiration and shares up 25% since the middle of november. november 14th, we went into it thinking we'd get hurt. it ended up 12.6% that day, up 250. >> it did decline prior to that, in anticipation of the expiration. >> after a big run. it's got to digest. again, this is an interest per share situation. things are done at facebook that would justify the stock going higher. the short base was gigantic. do you sense a big run? >> i think the dynamic did change after the last quarter. and the discussion you talked about, we talked about it a great deal, what the trends really appeared to be in
and china, they played hard ball in china. anybody who has played hardball in china has not succeeded. like google. first amendment, you know, tiananmen square. what's the first amendment in china, i don't think it's free speech. >> i don't think so. >> interstate commerce is as powerful as anything. >> tear down a neighborhood at any moment. >> another $156 million shares eligible for social, the social network rallied after last month's expiration and shares up 25%...
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china is okay. a lot of talk some institutional people might begin selling at this point because certainly retail investors in the u.s. are definitely buying the gold through the gld right now. the fiscal cliff very quickly here because the general consensus outlines of a deal out there. i know it doesn't sound that way. they're far apart. blah-blah. here is the idea. elements are emerging, folks, higher tax rates. nobody down here doesn't think there isn't going to be. if it's not 39% for the top 2%, it'll be 38%. some kind of compromise in the a area. the bad news and i've said this several times, the era of american austerity is beginning now and everybody is starting to realize that. the question is what's it going to look like? the good news is it's likely to be a gentle austerity, if i can say that, in 2013 and probably 2014 depending on the spending cuts. and there will be some cushion. the fed likely will continue its q/e program. they'll likely continue that during their meeting on december
china is okay. a lot of talk some institutional people might begin selling at this point because certainly retail investors in the u.s. are definitely buying the gold through the gld right now. the fiscal cliff very quickly here because the general consensus outlines of a deal out there. i know it doesn't sound that way. they're far apart. blah-blah. here is the idea. elements are emerging, folks, higher tax rates. nobody down here doesn't think there isn't going to be. if it's not 39% for the...
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china is about 10% of our business. it's about 30% of our clients. for our companies, we have about 11% or 12% of the total pipeline in the world and effectively 30% of that is china. so china is now our second biggest market. is between -- let me get the years right. between '09 and '11, our business doubled there from $1 billion to $2 billion a year. it is a smaller growth compared to the u.s. we're seeing the u.s. continue to grow, asia continue to grow, not just china, but other parts of asia. india has a very big percentage growth. but i think we've got a nice balance of growth around the world. >> on the middle east, i'm assuming that business in most areas of the middle east has been quite tough over the past two years especially or are you seeing pockets that are continuing to grow despite the uncertainty. >> you actually, uae and saudi have been very strong. but clearly egypt and places like syria, lebanon, so on have been affected. so it really is -- and we've defer natalie seen a reduction in development in the middle east. so it is a big
china is about 10% of our business. it's about 30% of our clients. for our companies, we have about 11% or 12% of the total pipeline in the world and effectively 30% of that is china. so china is now our second biggest market. is between -- let me get the years right. between '09 and '11, our business doubled there from $1 billion to $2 billion a year. it is a smaller growth compared to the u.s. we're seeing the u.s. continue to grow, asia continue to grow, not just china, but other parts of...
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most of the future growth is coming out of china. it is a market which is exploding. i think in 2010, they had 58 million people leaving china. it was 72 million last year. it will be about 80 million by the end of in year. it's all the product of lots of new people coming into the middle class and wanting to travel for the first time. >>> and this is one destination that would use a lot of world visitors spending their money. is it still as appealing? >> yes. europe is never going to lose its appeal. certainly visitors from asia want to come and visit europe. i think the europe outbound market is a bit sluggish at the moment. but it is still the case that people want to travel. and families will make a lot of sacrifices. they might not change a car, but they will absolutely protect their family holiday. europe will still grow, despite the economic difficulties. >> i also wonder when we saw the cost of airfare come down, when we've seen incomes rise, do you expect the rapid, rapid growth that we've seen to continue or is it market now maturing? >> no, the market is no
most of the future growth is coming out of china. it is a market which is exploding. i think in 2010, they had 58 million people leaving china. it was 72 million last year. it will be about 80 million by the end of in year. it's all the product of lots of new people coming into the middle class and wanting to travel for the first time. >>> and this is one destination that would use a lot of world visitors spending their money. is it still as appealing? >> yes. europe is never...
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china. >> today's news of the big four being challenged by the sec. china -- at least japan's a democracy. >> you're lucky you were blowing the whistle in japan and not china. you wouldn't be here. >> a good point. >> it's a crazy story. i still can't get over -- >> the author of republicans at the gate did a review in the new york times and he said this story compares with a john grisham knowledge and it does. >> what was the 700 million, fees paid to banks? >> it was just false fees. one piece of paper. >> and who ended up lining the pockets here? >> the money went to the cayman islands. so we'll a never know the truth. part of it was just to try to use off balance sheet vehicles to write them down. >> this former ceo, has he got cayman island accounts? >> i don't think there's any evidence of personal gain. no evidence of that. but last month in japan -- >> who was the owner of cayman island accounts? >> we'll never know all the truth. we'll never know all the truth unfortunately. but the
china. >> today's news of the big four being challenged by the sec. china -- at least japan's a democracy. >> you're lucky you were blowing the whistle in japan and not china. you wouldn't be here. >> a good point. >> it's a crazy story. i still can't get over -- >> the author of republicans at the gate did a review in the new york times and he said this story compares with a john grisham knowledge and it does. >> what was the 700 million, fees paid to banks?...
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recession, they were saying, china hard landing. so when some of these things didn't happen, all we needed last year, this year, was less bad in the market. i think in 2013, we're going to need to see better economic growth as the year moves forward. because, as you say, the market is reasonably valued. but it's not cheap. and i think to jason's earlier point, there are some stocks out there that are very, very attractive. but there are some stocks that look fairly expensive, and those are the ones that are the defensive, and high-income plays today. >> chris, everyone's waiting for this asset allocation shift away from fixed income, towards equities. the retail investor, for whatever reason, for a variety of reasons that we can all list, i guess, has just been very hesitant to do that. when does that happen? and does that happen in 2013? >> well, you would think it should, given where we have a start in yields, especially on treasuries. but almost across the board in fixed income the starting yields are very unattractive depending
recession, they were saying, china hard landing. so when some of these things didn't happen, all we needed last year, this year, was less bad in the market. i think in 2013, we're going to need to see better economic growth as the year moves forward. because, as you say, the market is reasonably valued. but it's not cheap. and i think to jason's earlier point, there are some stocks out there that are very, very attractive. but there are some stocks that look fairly expensive, and those are the...
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kfc in china. that's the growth in their, i think isn't yum bigger than mcdonald's in terms of total number? >> yeah. >> i think subway is, too. research -- >> they don't even call it kentucky tried anymore. >> kfc. >> and it's really chicken. >> that's uncalled for. what do you think it is, cat? that is uncalled for. >> this is all i'll say. >> tastes like chicken. >> yes, it's chicken! if david novak -- >> taco bell. >> yeah, taco bell. >> is that really meat? is that your next -- >> no. all right. the restaurant -- research in motion, rim shares coming off a seven-month high on news that the u.s. immigrations and customs enforcement agent are going to use the blackberry 10 on a trial basis. that is on news, did you see this, that the agency is going to ditch the iphone in favor -- >> okay, so why? >> i don't know. i just want to say, so blackberry was one of the sponsors of the thing yesterday, at the dealbook conference and they showed off the blackberry 10. >> kel me about it. >> they have one
kfc in china. that's the growth in their, i think isn't yum bigger than mcdonald's in terms of total number? >> yeah. >> i think subway is, too. research -- >> they don't even call it kentucky tried anymore. >> kfc. >> and it's really chicken. >> that's uncalled for. what do you think it is, cat? that is uncalled for. >> this is all i'll say. >> tastes like chicken. >> yes, it's chicken! if david novak -- >> taco bell. >> yeah,...
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fascinating to see china hit a few weeks post leadership changes, first time this year the markets had more than 10% rally there. and the signs of europe's issues being if not resolved, certainly more minimized in terms of stress. so i think we're going tothz a lot clearer signs of powerful rallies coming from the rest of the world in 2013 which will make it somewhat different than 2012 and to some extent the previous two years, as well. >> joe is down in washington wauchg all of this first hand and i know he has a question for you, as well, jim. >> feeling all the different things coming in. >> that must be a real challenge for you being down in d.c. how did you get that straw? >> yeah, it is. i can take it for about 24 hours. i am feeling a lot of what's happening. and in the last 2 1/2 years or so, the poisoned atmosphere down here just to try and do anything is becoming really apparent. we put the sequester because it was so hard to try and do anything last time to force us, now we're not really inclined to do it again. my question, even if we do get a deal, a lot of the extra tax
fascinating to see china hit a few weeks post leadership changes, first time this year the markets had more than 10% rally there. and the signs of europe's issues being if not resolved, certainly more minimized in terms of stress. so i think we're going tothz a lot clearer signs of powerful rallies coming from the rest of the world in 2013 which will make it somewhat different than 2012 and to some extent the previous two years, as well. >> joe is down in washington wauchg all of this...